Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
I've seen a few builds hinting this is where members are aiming, but has anyone actually built a successful early Mitsu that can Drift?
If so could I possibly see some action shots? This would be a great thing to add to the site.
So, anyone out there got one?
Dave...
If so could I possibly see some action shots? This would be a great thing to add to the site.
So, anyone out there got one?
Dave...
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
my mate used to have a scorpion with an sr20 in it,
but i cant find any photos of it, wasn't really a mitsu drift car
was more of a mitsu shell over a drift car lol....
used to slide well (being longer helped with stability) untill he wrapped it around a tree
now the engine resides in an s13 (the drift video i posted....)
will have to chase him up for pics
but i cant find any photos of it, wasn't really a mitsu drift car
was more of a mitsu shell over a drift car lol....
used to slide well (being longer helped with stability) untill he wrapped it around a tree
now the engine resides in an s13 (the drift video i posted....)
will have to chase him up for pics
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
all in time mate.... all in time
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lancer or the stazza loran??
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haha starions dont drift, learnt that the hard way.
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gk wagon into tree
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
one day...when im out of debt and have a garage
Check out my thread for progress
http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=3281
http://www.sigma-galant.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=3281
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
Not drifting I know but still sideways
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I think that puts you in pole position at the moment MATNES.
What's in that Lancer, it sounds like a 1600?
Stories are good, but video proof is better. Shame no smoke, but it's the closest so far
This is looking good too mbrallying, but same as MATNES, blatant lack of smoke... Wheel up looks cool though Even cooler with the sign in the background...
Dave...
What's in that Lancer, it sounds like a 1600?
Stories are good, but video proof is better. Shame no smoke, but it's the closest so far
This is looking good too mbrallying, but same as MATNES, blatant lack of smoke... Wheel up looks cool though Even cooler with the sign in the background...
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
at that stage it was a old 1600cc motor with a 32/36 weber. smoke started to blow out the back a few months later.....but i have no pic's of that sorry.
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
Dave
The lack of smoke probably has something to do with all the debris on the road (turn right onto tar from gravel) aswell as the 120 odd horses and rally tyres.
Its very very rare that we see any tar at all!!
Mark.
The lack of smoke probably has something to do with all the debris on the road (turn right onto tar from gravel) aswell as the 120 odd horses and rally tyres.
Its very very rare that we see any tar at all!!
Mark.
Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
I'm not trying to play down your cars performance or your driving skill Mark.. Great shots BTW. I wonder how it would go at drifting? I believe, when drifting first started to take off in Australia that a lot of guys took their rally cars and had a crack at it. I remember seeing a pic of a 120Y sideways with a wheel up at a drift event.
Here's a pic of a rally car having a crack at a drift event. I couldn't find the pic of the 120Y.
I know a lot of members here have rally cars, and all of them or most can hang sideways. But what I'm after is confirmation that someone has actually built a drift car. That is trying to compete in drift competitions even if it's in the fledgling stage? I've seen Gemini's and early Corolla's, so why not a Galant, Lancer, Scorpion or Sigma?
There have been quite a few members get on here and say, it's what they are trying to do. So where are they (and no I'm not referring to Driftforlife), even progress shots of what they are up to in their build?
Issue one of Driftbattle magazine has a compiled list of cars that they think are driftable. They list the Sigma and Starion, here's what they say:
Mitsubishi
Sigma 2.6 or 2.0 Turbo
$2000 - $8000
A fairly daggy option, but certainly cheap and easy to repair. With some modification, the 2.6 will deliver reasonable power. There are a few factory and aftermarket turbocharged cars floating around. So long as you can find an LSD, these should make the grade.
Starion
$7000 - $12000
The Starion qualifies, as it is rear-wheel-drive and has a 2L turbo engine, but will be difficult to get parts for (especially an LSD) and they are becoming more expensive due to rarity. An interesting base, if you are willing to do a lot of modification, though, especially as the Evo engines can be swapped in.
Remember: this is quoted from the magazine, not what I think.
From what I've seen from cars on this site, and from the power some of the members are getting from these cars, there should be no problem building a drift car from a Sigma or Scorpion, at least (in my opinion) they have a better rear end set-up to start with (in other words, not leaf spring).
Dave...
Here's a pic of a rally car having a crack at a drift event. I couldn't find the pic of the 120Y.
I should have rephrased the original question. Does anyone have a purpose built drift car from any early Mitsubishi product?75wagon wrote:I've seen a few builds hinting this is where members are aiming, but has anyone actually built a successful early Mitsu that can Drift?
If so could I possibly see some action shots? This would be a great thing to add to the site.
So, anyone out there got one?
I know a lot of members here have rally cars, and all of them or most can hang sideways. But what I'm after is confirmation that someone has actually built a drift car. That is trying to compete in drift competitions even if it's in the fledgling stage? I've seen Gemini's and early Corolla's, so why not a Galant, Lancer, Scorpion or Sigma?
There have been quite a few members get on here and say, it's what they are trying to do. So where are they (and no I'm not referring to Driftforlife), even progress shots of what they are up to in their build?
Issue one of Driftbattle magazine has a compiled list of cars that they think are driftable. They list the Sigma and Starion, here's what they say:
Mitsubishi
Sigma 2.6 or 2.0 Turbo
$2000 - $8000
A fairly daggy option, but certainly cheap and easy to repair. With some modification, the 2.6 will deliver reasonable power. There are a few factory and aftermarket turbocharged cars floating around. So long as you can find an LSD, these should make the grade.
Starion
$7000 - $12000
The Starion qualifies, as it is rear-wheel-drive and has a 2L turbo engine, but will be difficult to get parts for (especially an LSD) and they are becoming more expensive due to rarity. An interesting base, if you are willing to do a lot of modification, though, especially as the Evo engines can be swapped in.
Remember: this is quoted from the magazine, not what I think.
From what I've seen from cars on this site, and from the power some of the members are getting from these cars, there should be no problem building a drift car from a Sigma or Scorpion, at least (in my opinion) they have a better rear end set-up to start with (in other words, not leaf spring).
Dave...
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
ive allways been keen to go out to mallala and have a go, and now that ive dinged the front allready. if noone buys it ill probably strip it and attempt to build some form of motorkhana/drift car with it.
its definitely got the powers to do it, but therell be a lot of suspension playing required as it likes to swing the back round too far if your not careful, that and the steering angle/geometry isnt very good on lock.
its definitely got the powers to do it, but therell be a lot of suspension playing required as it likes to swing the back round too far if your not careful, that and the steering angle/geometry isnt very good on lock.
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
did you see this posted in random lancer pix?
Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
I remember seeing that....forgot about it..... thanx.
Dave...
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
man that lancer is nice. Starions drift just fine with stock blown out suspension to a point. I thikn a scorpion would do well with the 4 link. I'll let you know as soon as I get a lsd machined down for it. Right now it does very nice one tire fires without wheel hop, but thats about it.
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Doing about 60 with bone stock suspension. I may have had my strut bars in at the time. It really didnt feel like I was body rolling that bad This was back in dec 2001
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
From just about everything I've read on the subject, I think that if you increased the turn lock, then that should pretty much fix the back swinging around too much. Look at the steering lock on the Lancer in the little movie snippet. That and an LSD, if you don't already have one. That should make it predictable and much easier to control...Billsy wrote:ive allways been keen to go out to mallala and have a go, and now that ive dinged the front allready. if noone buys it ill probably strip it and attempt to build some form of motorkhana/drift car with it.
its definitely got the powers to do it, but therell be a lot of suspension playing required as it likes to swing the back round too far if your not careful, that and the steering angle/geometry isnt very good on lock.
But as I said, that's just what I've picked up from reading copious amounts of topics on the subject, no actual experience with it. Not unless you included RC drifting as experience anyway...
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
With regards to an LSD being required, its more about your style of driving and car control whether or not you'd benefit over a locked diff, but the standard ones just won't cut it
I've tried handbraking my scorp around a corner just for the fun of it, got to about a 45 degree angle and smacked my helmet onto the side of the roof, scratching it
Bloody fun, but with an open diff it snaps back unexpectedly.
Once I'd gone around a 90 degree sharp corner that had some loose gravel so i just planted it and turned in hard, got quite sideways out the end but then once the gravel disappeared my outside rear wheel gripped SO fast and just flung it back the other way off the road and into the shrubbery. If I didn't have to turn the steering wheel so many times to bring it straight again it might have worked
Plus after testing out a car with a basic cone type LSD, and then one that was welded.. I gotta say the welded was so much easier to drift
I remember seeing something a while ago about certain 4wd diffs that have a pneumatic locker. Just flick a switch in the cabin and compressed air somehow forces a piece in that locks the spider gears together. Would be perfect for a streetable drifter
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I've tried handbraking my scorp around a corner just for the fun of it, got to about a 45 degree angle and smacked my helmet onto the side of the roof, scratching it
Bloody fun, but with an open diff it snaps back unexpectedly.
Once I'd gone around a 90 degree sharp corner that had some loose gravel so i just planted it and turned in hard, got quite sideways out the end but then once the gravel disappeared my outside rear wheel gripped SO fast and just flung it back the other way off the road and into the shrubbery. If I didn't have to turn the steering wheel so many times to bring it straight again it might have worked
Plus after testing out a car with a basic cone type LSD, and then one that was welded.. I gotta say the welded was so much easier to drift
I remember seeing something a while ago about certain 4wd diffs that have a pneumatic locker. Just flick a switch in the cabin and compressed air somehow forces a piece in that locks the spider gears together. Would be perfect for a streetable drifter
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
Scorpions are a good base IMO, despite the lack of aftermarket performance parts like lsd's, suspension etc
long wheelbase, 4-link etc make it a fairly stable platform with decent handling. That's from my experience, anyway lol
long wheelbase, 4-link etc make it a fairly stable platform with decent handling. That's from my experience, anyway lol
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
that stazza is tuff as
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
DragonCypher wrote:Once I'd gone around a 90 degree sharp corner that had some loose gravel........
...after testing out a car with a basic cone type LSD, and then one that was welded.. I gotta say the welded was so much easier to drift
So did you test the 2 different style centres on Dirt or Tar?
Im no expert on Diffs,DragonCypher wrote:With regards to an LSD being required, its more about your style of driving and car control whether or not you'd benefit over a locked diff
but from my experiences with locked diffs (welded)
Yes they are easy to contol on Dirt.
As both wheels are spinning at the same speed.
But on Tar, you need a hell of alot more power to get both wheels spinning.
and therefore puts more strain on your driveline.
when you are on a grippy Tar surface, The 2 wheels turning together in a straight line, tends to want to keep pushing you in a straight line when you try to turn a corner.
Giving you really bad understeer.
So i found to get it to loose traction you need to bring the car in at a very aggressive angle, and rev it and Dump the clutch,
Which makes the car suddenly Jack the back end across, and suddenly you need to be on full opposite lock to try to catch the back end...
And to be able to do that and be able to hold it sideways, i had to start it sliding at much lower speeds...
They are a Cheap way to have fun, but not the best on Tar.
And they will shear Axles, and over time damage your Gearbox.
A 4wd Air locker is simply a more expensive version of a welded locker, but you can disengage the Locker for the Street....
They work for 4wds because they are going at slow speeds over loose terrain that allows for the wheels to slip and skid slightly and dont wind up the Axles as badly.
LSDs are more expensive, but require less HP to start spinning,
As they allow one wheel to start slipping and then engage the 2nd wheel, which makes it easier to start spinning, and puts less strain on the driveline.
They are easier to hold sideways at higher speeds (once you get the hang of them, took me awhile)
and you have it on tap at all times.
There would have to be a good reason why all the top end Drifters Use Mechanical LSDs and not save themselves money and just Weld up stock diffs.....
Just a thought
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I just found these videos on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8HZzUyfug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX-wKx4V ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtoGMjp ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG-h8Gt5 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8HZzUyfug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX-wKx4V ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxtoGMjp ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG-h8Gt5 ... re=related
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
pic in the build topics
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There would have to be a good reason why all the top end Drifters Use Mechanical LSDs and not save themselves money and just Weld up stock diffs.....
Just a thought[/quote]
dan the big differance between a full spool and a mecanical 2 way lsd (like the "drifters use" cusco )
is that there adjustable for slip in both directions !
when you crossed up with a spool ,you back off it will turn around
with a 2 way adjusted properly there is nothing there when you back off ,hence you dont turn it around makes life a lot easyier
know what i mean ,like a two stroke no compression decelaration!
cheers stealth
Just a thought[/quote]
dan the big differance between a full spool and a mecanical 2 way lsd (like the "drifters use" cusco )
is that there adjustable for slip in both directions !
when you crossed up with a spool ,you back off it will turn around
with a 2 way adjusted properly there is nothing there when you back off ,hence you dont turn it around makes life a lot easyier
know what i mean ,like a two stroke no compression decelaration!
cheers stealth
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Re: Has anyone built a Drift Car from a Early Mitsu?
That is a cool lancer on utube